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NSA Inquiry - 2015 - PDF: LINK ¤ NSA INQUIRY

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  • "Germany Parliament Committee of Inquiry into the National Security Agency - NSA"

 

 

 

 

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witnesses William Binney - technical Director, NSA:





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  • "my name is William Edward Binney"

 

 

 

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  • "I became the technical director of the world analysis and reporting in NSA"

 

 

 

 

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  • "I was also the chief of the technical advisory panel to the foreign relations council in NSA"

 

 

 

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  • "I was to be aware of the technical capabilities and the sharing with the partners around the world"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "unfortunately we have started to go down a very ugly path"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "this path is one to be able to monitor the entire population"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "not just foreigners but also internally in the US"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "this is the most major threat to our democracy"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "it affects every citizen, not just of the United States but of the world. It has implications for democracies all around the world"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "I spent 37 years working for NSA, both in the military and then as a civilian for 32 years"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "it’s important to testify to the fact of what’s really going on behind the scenes in the intelligence communities around the world"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "it’s something that should not be hidden from the public. It needs to be openly discussed"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "because it’s fundamentally against our constitution"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "what they have done: after 9/11 they have taken the approach"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "to do bulk acquisition of information on everyone in the world"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "total information awareness is what they’re after"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "attacking individuals in that sense is not just a violation of the fundamental rights of individuals under our constitution but it is one of international implications"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "everyone in the world has rights to privacy"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "this is a very ugly path to take because it is a totalitarian procedure way"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "that every dictatorship down through history has done"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "one of the first things they do is to try to acquire knowledge of their population"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "and that’s exactly what these programs give them"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "I quit NSA in 2001 because of this procedure that they started. The data actually started coming in mid-October 2001"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "that’s when I first found out about it. It took me two and a half weeks to leave the place because I didn’t want to be associated with all of these crimes and totalitarian procedures"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "this is what I’ve worked against the Soviet Union for almost 30 years"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "I recognized it immediately"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "I couldn’t be a party to that. That’s why I left"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "I have technical knowledge of the capabilities of these programs"

 

 

 

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  • "from 1965 to 1970 I was in the army security agency, stationed in Turkey, looking at the Soviet Union. I had training in terms of military training, in traffic analysis, and analysis in general"

 

 

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  • "I started breaking different systems. NSA noticed me and said: gee, we’d like you to come to work for us. - So, in 1970 I started to work for NSA"

 

 

 

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  • "I continued working on internal codes and crypt systems that the Soviet Union had been using"

 

 

 

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  • "in general, they look for attributes for introverts. That is 85 percent - if you are familiar with the Myers-Briggs aptitude testing - 85 percent of NSA workforce are ISTJs: introverted, scientific, technical"

 

 

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  • "they also have administrative people, banking and all kinds of attributes that they look for"

 

 

 

 

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  • "some come in, to get clearances"

 

 

 

 

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  • "that is - once the NSA applies - they send the investigators out to investigate you, you take a polygraph and you get clearances"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "then they try to hire you from NSA, so that you can go into contractors"

 

 

 

 

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  • "they offer you a lot more money"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "toward the end of the period of time I was in, they were having problems getting people cleared"

 

 

 

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  • "so they started what they called a fast track - which is the way they got people quickly cleared and into working"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "this especially was true with contractors"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "when I started out as a desk analyst at NSA - that is in the 70s, early 70s -, I would start looking at a specific set of problems in a geographic area, the Soviet Union for example"

 

 

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  • "our job was to interpret what their intentions and capabilities were. So, in order to do that, you couldn’t take a fine-eyed look"

 

 

 

 

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  • "you had to have a broader look"

 

 

 

 

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  • "then I started breaking things on a larger scale"

 

 

 

 

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  • "and then I created along with Dr. John Taggart the SIGINT automation research center"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "which was to automate the entire SIGINT (digital Data) process for the NSA"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "I was looking at different problems and trying to integrate them into the entire picture, to see the whole picture"

 

 

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  • "in the analogue world we were using different sources of information"

 

 

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  • "some of them have been published like the Echelon program or other kinds of conventional collection sites, HF antennas, VHF or LVHF antennas"

 

 

 

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  • "then in the late 80s, more in the 90s it started to move into the fiber optic lines - that’s where a lot of the communications are today"

 

 

 

 

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  • "fiber optic lines took a bulk of the communications simply because of the capacity"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "you had to figure out ways to tap fiber optic lines. Some of that has been documented by Mark Klein in the US with the NSA room in the AT&T facility in San Francisco, where they would put a Y-connector or a splitter"

 

 

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  • "which simply says: if you pass an optical line into a splitter that has two fibers coming out, you can duplicate the line and you can send one off to the NSA room and one to pass on the normal routes"

 

 

 

 

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  • "that gets them the data"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "once you get that kind of data available to you, you need to have a sessionizer"

 

 

 

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  • "that will go back through the entire network and reconstitute what’s actually the data being sent"

 

 

 

 

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  • "that’s what the commercially available devices - the Narus and Verint devices - do"

 

 

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  • "the Naris insight device is one I’m familiar with, that does sessionizing of fiber optic lines at the rate"

 

 

 

 

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  • "of 10 gigabits per second"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "if you reduced it all to transferring information from e-mail for example, one device could produce the e-mails of over a hundred billion one thousand characters a day"

 

 

 

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  • "so it would cover a good deal of the entire e-mail of the world"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "they purchased those devices and put them across the fiber optic lines"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "when you fill out the form - SF-48, the application for a position at NSA"

 

 

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  • "you have to list out all of your background, where you lived - from the beginning of your life, really - and your family, all their names, addresses, friends and addresses, references and so on"

 

 

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  • "then the FBI uses that kind of as a way to go around and investigate, talk to people, ask them different questions about you, and look at the organizations you belong to or are involved in"

 

 

 

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  • "they try to get information about you, so they can make a better assessment of what kind of person you are. And then you have the polygraph at the end"

 

 

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  • "from that they assume, assemble questions and things like that"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "and ask general questions of loyalty"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "the technical track was what I was in. That meant that I was a senior with the equivalent of a 1.5-star general, a GS-17 used to be in the old grades"

 

 

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  • "as a technical director what you’re looking at is the technical issues across the entire set of organization. At that point, for me that was about 6.000 analysts"

 

 

 

 

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  • "this was from 1997 to 2001. I had the lab which was the SIGINT (digital Data) automation research center"

 

 

 

 

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  • "I had resources to attack problems there. It was only a small number of people, about 16 in total"

 

 

 

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  • "part of my job as a member of the senior technical review board was that we would see into the technology people across the entire agency"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • ""Thin-Thread" had two parts: part I played in was what I refer to as the back-end part"

 

 

 

 

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  • "this was how to acquire information off the fiber lines, which was fundamentally the Internet"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "that required the Narus device to sessionize data coming across the fiber optic lines. That then produced information to the analysis area which was my specialty"

 

 

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  • "it was my responsibility to design how to handle all that analysis of all that data and manage that data after the acquisition of it"

 

 

 

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  • "the real problem was - when you start collecting massive amounts of data from the fiber optic lines, volume becomes a really big problem"

 

 

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  • "normally, what they’ve been doing is using dictionary select type routines which are Google type queries"

 

 

 

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  • "when you do that, unless you use the right terms - but even with the right terms, you can still get thousands - if not tens of thousands - of returns"

 

 

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  • "how can you figure out what’s going on in all that data ?"

 

 

 

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  • "I was defining it for the back-end - how to solve that to make all the volume of information a manageable problem for analysts"

 

 

 

 

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  • "this is why I developed the targeted approach of acquisition of data"

 

 

 

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  • "that was a defining of the zones of suspicion around known bad guys"

 

 

 

 

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  • "I also had a whole set of things that I was going to apply"

 

 

 

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  • "automation techniques would automatically analyze all of the information from the graphs and from the data"

 

 

 

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  • "and figure out who were the new bad guys, that we should be watching and targeting automatically"

 

 

 

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  • "all of the data taken in is building a relationship in what we call a graph - a social network of the world"

 

 

 

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  • "when you would pull out a section of that graph, a community, who you communicate - for example on your phones and e-mails; that’s your community"

 

 

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  • "you could pull that community out and then pull with it all the data that was used to build that relationship over a long period of time"

 

 

 

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  • "so you could see how you’re interacting with your community. This is a profile that I was preparing to automate the analysis"

 

 

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  • "which would get back to automatically determining intentions and capabilities of communities, which was the intent of intelligence"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "but they started collecting on everyone"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "they were asking for a commercial environment to create algorithms to go into large data sets"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "I laid out the logic for the coders. I had hired coders - contractors -, who did the coding for me in the SIGINT automation research center"

 

 

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  • "it’s like a flow diagram for a computer program"

 

 

 

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  • "my point was that collecting all the data on everyone in the world was a pointless activity"

 

 

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  • "so we were deploying systems that would look through fiber optic rates of data and pull out only that was relevant and let everything else go by"

 

 

 

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  • "in other words, we wouldn’t have to build things like Bluffdale to store all of this material that they’re collecting"

 

 

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  • "we wouldn’t have to do that because we wouldn’t be collecting it"

 

 

 

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  • "that was the targeted approach for analysis of data. And when we did pull in US citizens, we had a process that would detect them immediately"

 

 

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  • "after all from phone numbers or IP addresses, it is really pretty simple to recognize if you’re a US citizen"

 

 

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  • "and that those attributes could not be studied by anybody in law enforcement or in NSA themselves"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "this we had proposed in 1999 to our general counsel and they were taking the argument to the DOJ"

 

 

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  • "when they took that argument to the Department of Justice - Fourth Amendment right lawyers - they handed the proposal to them that we be allowed to do this"

 

 

 

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  • "as our counsel handed it to them, he said: here is a proposal we have"

 

 

 

 

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  • "but I don’t think it’s constitutional"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "that would mean that we threw that one out"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "but no one ever told me to stop"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "so I never stopped"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "the deputy director for operations said:"

 

 

 

 

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  • "continue"

 

 

 

 

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  • "so I said: okay, I’m continuing"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "after 9/11 they scrapped all of the protections totally"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "they got rid of the entire section of code and they decided not to do a focus detect, on the front-end"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "they took in everything they saw"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "and so the whole process was bulk acquisition of information that was totally open"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "there was no privacy whatsoever"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • ""Trailblazer" was a program that they solicited almost 4 billion dollars to do"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "it was a program that industry wanted"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "they wanted to do a development from scratch, so that industry would have control of the development"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "but when it came to the understanding of bulkgraphing of all of the data they were collecting - the bulk acquisition of information -, industry had nothing that could handle that"

 

 

 

 

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  • "and Trailblazer itself was cancelled in late 2005/early 2006"

 

 

 

 

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  • "but what they did do was they looked at the program we did on "ThinThread" - the back part, the part that I was involved with in terms of the graphing and targeting"

 

 

 

 

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  • "and they said: this part of the program will manage the acquisition of all the data"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "because if you didn’t turn off the switch to delete or ignore material in the front-end"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "you could take it all in"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "and if you got rid of the privacy back in the back-end that would then manage all of this information in terms of graphing it and building relationships and indexing it to a worldwide graph of relationships"

 

 

 

 

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  • "that program is the one they used to start the "Stellar Wind" program"

 

 

 

 

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  • "they simply took the software right out of the back-end of this "Thin-Thread" and put it on another set of data and that separated-up data into it"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "domestic spying data"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "the programmers that I had to work on programming that system were the ones they had to use to set up the Stellar Wind program"

 

 

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  • "they were the only ones who knew how that program worked, how to get data into it, and how to make it function"

 

 

 

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  • "that was the reason they came to me afterwards"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "that was the move to collecting information"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "on all the 7 billion people on the planet"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "that’s where I was objecting"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "you had to build things like Bluffdale and an another 600.000-square foot facility, they broke ground for that last summer on Fort Meade. It’s another facility that helps store more data"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "they’re just accumulating all this data"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "they have this population control issue, which is what’s driving them"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "they wanna know the entire population"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "it’s total information awareness"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "this is like a totalitarian procedure"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "they want to know everything the population is thinking and what they’re doing"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "that’s the idea of population control"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "and this needs to be challenged constitutionally in my country and in any country that is involved"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "we need to have ways and means of verifying"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "what the intelligence agencies are doing"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "Nixon did use similar kinds of things against his enemies. And he was impeached for that"

 

 

 

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  • "but he only did an infinitesimal of what they are doing today"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "there is a cautionary note here, if you use public encryption or systems that are publicly available"

 

 

 

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  • "some of those have built-in backdoors. And therefore, it would be recognized immediately and automatically managed by a software"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "but if you create your own encryption system and you don’t make it public"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "then you’re doing a good job"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "then it will make them work. If you make it complicated enough, they will not be able to crack it"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "the general principle is: any data they collected they kept as long as they could. We even had World War II records"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "they never throw away anything unless they have to"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "these processes are a violation of civil rights - not just of US citizens, but of everybody in the world"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "that’s why I left there - because of that"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "there are on the order of 8.200 of fiber optic taps in the continental United States"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "their acquisition there is of US citizens’ communications"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "it’s everything"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "not just metadata"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "if you wanted to capture the metadata of the world and build all the relationships of everybody in the world, you could do that in perhaps a quarter of this room"

 

 

 

 

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  • "but when you collect content"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "then you’re capturing bulk data. And that’s when you need large storage facilities like Bluffdale in Utah"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "the metadata is so important here because metadata allows you to build relationships of everybody in the world"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "so you can use that metadata as the keys to pull data out of the flow of information"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "it is in all languages"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "one of the reasons I had left was because of the cooperative efforts they started with the telecom companies on the phone network"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "bringing in the phone system, billing records and things like that of everybody"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "the philosophy that came after 9/11 was "collect everything""

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "they used 9/11 as the lever to implement bulk acquisition of data on everybody and also implement the graphing in knowledge generation of relationships of people around the world"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "this was unconstitutional and involved US citizens"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "they tend to say: if they have the capability to do something"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "they do it"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "this is the philosophy - they are taking"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "without limitation, without respect to the law"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "as vice president Cheney said: we went to the real dark side"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "encryption is certainly something they target to find out the things that they are developing, the techniques they are using and the design of systems that they were trying to develop"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "but people like journalists are also targets, also around the world"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "if you looked at the international cabling, fiber optic lines around the world:"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "about 80 percent of the volume capacity of fiber optic lines in the world passes through the United States"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "they have access points for transoceanic cables that surfaced both on the East Coast and the West Coast"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "it’s no coincidence that a lot of the South American cables, the fiber optic lines, run up to Miami and then back to South America"

 

 

 

 

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  • "so the communications are visible in Miami"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • J. Edgar Hoover: "what Hoover did inside the United States was: watch individuals in the Congress and anybody who had any position of power"

 

 

 

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  • "the reason he did that was to acquire information that he could use"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "as leverage against them to get them to vote his way"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "that’s the reason he stayed as head of the FBI for about 30 years"

 

 

 

 

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  • "that kind of accumulation of knowledge gives you leverage"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "that can give you power over people"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "to influence them to do what you want them to do"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "for example they reviewed thousands of personal private e-mails of generals Petraeus and Allen to find something embarrassing about them to get rid of them"

 

 

 

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  • "that was a review of data to get leverage against them to get them out"

 

 

 

 

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  • "this is a very dangerous process that has many implications"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "when you are in a bureaucracy and you have this kind of power"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "you tend to use it someway"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • targeting Merkel's mobile: "it would give them a better understanding:"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "what she, your chancellor, was thinking"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "what’s the kinds of information that she was talking about or interested in or concerned about"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "it could also be a leverage they could use: if there were something happening that they would gain knowledge of that"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "and they could in turn use that as leverage to get chancellors or anybody in parliament"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "to influence them to do what they would like them to do"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "after 9/11 director Tenet of CIA called general Hayden of NSA and said: what can you guys do above and beyond what you are doing now ?"

 

 

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  • "and he said: well, give me a little time, and we’ll see what we can possibly do and then I get back to you"

 

 

 

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  • "that occurred within four days. He brought this proposal back"

 

 

 

 

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  • "to do this bulk acquisition and graphing in terms of an expansion of relationship with corporations"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "first with the telecommunication companies for phone calls and then later on with the internet service providers"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "since the telephone companies managed most of the fiber optic lines that they wanted to have access to, they would provide also the taps, the ability to tap that"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "it was access to the fiber lines that they gave them"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "that proposal then went forward to vice president Cheney. This is pretty much documented"

 

 

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  • "Cheney went to president Bush, and they approved - the four of them: Bush, Cheney, Hayden and Tenet"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "if you’re gonna put a collection device like a Narus at a point in the fiber optic lines in the world"

 

 

 

 

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  • "you want to be able to see the maximum amount of communication simultaneously"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "so you look for three or more points, where three or more major fiber lines converged in the world"

 

 

 

 

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  • "Frankfurt is a major one, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Stockholm and various other places"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "there are more than 50.000 implants in the network around the world"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "the NSA pretty much owns the network"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "they can get information anywhere out of the network"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "the data is processed and put in data bases at NSA"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "they have direct access into that data"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "at least near realtime"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "I’m an old time government employee. I always thought getting the government to correct itself internally was an option"

 

 

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  • "but by going the proper round, going to the intelligence committees and the department of defense and department of justice inspector general, all that did was gain me notice from the NSA"

 

 

 

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  • "they sent the FBI to raid us, to keep us quiet"

 

 

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  • "so the proper way to proceed or the options to expose problems internally doesn’t work at all"

 

 

 

 

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  • "they even tried to indict us with false data"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "they falsified evidence separate times. The only reason I’m not in jail is because I caught them at it"

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "so I had evidence of malicious prosecution. If they wanted to go to court I had that evidence and so they dropped everything"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "there was corruption involved around the Trailblazer Program"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "between industry and government employees"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "there is level of incestuous relationship with industry where they are only interested in feeding"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "they weren’t interested in solving problems"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "because if they solved the problem, they no longer had it to request money"

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "that meant that would affect their ability to get the next contract or the follow-on contract"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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question: "are the documents from Edward Snowden manipulated ?"





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  • "no"

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "I look at those as best evidence"

 

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "that’s the evidence of the government against the government itself. The programs are running. I look at those as all authentic documents"

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "everything is right, the classification, all the kind of structure and organization you look at"

 

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "that’s the kind of things they do"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "the problem also is that contractors work for given companies. All of that is managed by the private industry"

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "they could get information, inside information"

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "or do industrial espionage without letting anybody know"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "in the intelligence community they have been using words as a word game. They would say the word and it would mean something to you, but they would be using it in a different way"

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "so the point is to get them to list the terms that they are going to use and their specific definitions"

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "for a verification process: whatever NSA, CIA or FBI or anyone in the intelligence community would tell Congress or either courts"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "you have to have a way to verify"

 

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "that what they are telling you is the truth"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "maybe by setting up a separate technical group that’s responsible to all of Congress and all of the Courts"

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "that would have all the clearances necessary to go into any intelligence community agency, sit at any position"

 

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "look at any data base or any process and review everything"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "they've got to verify what they are saying to the Courts or to Congress"

 

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "is true"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "even Reggie Walton, the chief judge on the FISA Court, has admitted he has a limited capacity and even challenged anything that NSA is telling"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "so you need to set up a way or means"

 

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "to verify what you’ve been told"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "otherwise it’s been fairly clear that they will consistently lie to you"

 

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "and not tell you the whole truth"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "so you need a mechanism to make that happen"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

_________________________________________

  • "to be able to verify what those intelligence agencies are doing"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • "to verify that they are telling you the truth about what they are doing"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

 



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